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E-Exchanges Archive 2
*This section of our website will contain some less formal – and short – e-mail exchanges that we’ve had which we feel may be of value to our readers.This is the Archive for old E-Exchanges.For current ones, go here: E-ExchangesWe will include those portions of the exchanges we deem relevant and valuable.We often add bolding and underlining which are not necessarily that of the other party.The statements from MHFM are in red and begin at the far left of the page.The statements from the other side are indented.*
New V-2 Debate
MHFM: This is a debate on the issue of whether Vatican II (and the Vatican II sect) teaches the heresy that non-Catholics may lawfully receive Holy Communion.William, with whom we had a more formal debate, came back to debate on this topic.
Debate: does Vatican II teach that non-Catholics may lawfully receive Holy Communion?[39 min. audio]
This will be found permanently in the Telephone Conversations section of our Traditional Catholic Audio Programs.For a file relating to some of the quotes mentioned in this debate, see:The Vatican II sect vs. the Catholic Church on non-Catholics receiving Holy Communion [PDF].
I wanted to tell you that I had my friend's mother listen to a little bit of some of your audio programs that I had on my iPod. She really liked what she heard. She said that they were very well done… She asked me to give her a copy of them so her and her husband could get a chance to hear the rest of them( they are both a little computer shy). I have discussed a few of the issues with the V2 church with them, but we really don't get that much time together. They have admitted they have had their own problems with the V2 Church. Hopefully once they hear what you have to say they will be fully convinced and leave the New Mass.
MHFM: Thanks, hopefully they will come around.
Hello, I have two questions. First is about St. Teresa of Avila when she said that bad confessions damn the majority of Christians.Aside from making sure that one does not hide any sin out of pride, is there anything else one should do to ensure avoiding a bad confession? Second, I saw your headline about BeXVI changing the stations of the cross. Are the stations of the cross that have been used previously traditional, and if not then what are the traditional stations of the cross? I would appreciate your help.
MHFM: We think that people can make bad confessions by attempting to justify their sins while confessing them.In other words, they might give so many reasons or explanations, etc. that they basically excuse themselves for the sins they have committed, and in so doing can make a bad confession.
Benedict XVI is eliminating certain Stations of the Cross for World Youth Day, so as not to offend members of false religions.You can find the Stations of the Cross in a traditional missal.
Thank you for the critical information and good counsel that has helped me return to Catholicism.
Just couldn't resist a comment. In your telephone debate with the NO apologist in Chicago (whose ignorance was astounding!), I, too wondered about his continual use of the term "the Deity". However, after reading the e-mail about this abominable woman at a "Catholic" college allowing only gender-neutral terms for God, I understand why! Of course, the most important prayer which Jesus himself taught us called the "Our Father" (do you suppose they've ever heard of it?) must be a horror to them. These people get wackier by the minute.
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all you do to spread the truth.
Sincerely in Christ Jesus,
Really? What heresy do I adhere to?
MHFM: The dogma you deny is that heretics are not members of the Catholic Church.
We can see that it’s the teaching of the Catholic Church that a man is severed from the Church by heresy, schism or apostasy.
Thus, it’s not merely the opinion of certain saints and doctors of the Church that a heretic would cease to be pope; it’s a fact inextricably bound up with a dogmatic teaching.A truth inextricably bound up with a dogma is called a dogmatic fact.It is, therefore, a dogmatic fact that a heretic cannot be the pope.A heretic cannot be the pope, since one who is outside cannot head that of which he is not even a member.
Subject: An excerpt from a “Catholic college”
In a syllabus for Moral Theology, a nota bene appears from the ex O.P. nun who was hired as chair of theology:
A "requirement" for my class is that you will NOT refer to God as "FATHER" (Emphasis mine). The following gender 'neutral' references for God, i.e., Creator, the Loving One, etc. are acceptable. Your semester and final grades will reflect your adherence to this requirement." Needless to say, that ex-blasphemer would have had seen me jumping out of a window after hearing that trash.
The blasphemy continues:
"Mother God, overshadows Daughter Mary." A student in this moral theology class questioned this ex-nun by asking two questions: The first: "What does moral theology" have to do with the incarnation? The second: "In stating that God is female and therefore "overshadowed" Daughter Mary, you are making the blasphemous assertion that Jesus Christ was born of a lesbian union!" From what I gathered, the walls of the classroom practically disintegrated. Kudos to the student.
Again, God is so good to us for giving the truth of the Catholic Faith, and then we have these nitwit ex-nuns… While it is true that God being eternal is beyond the confines of time, space and gender,it was JESUS who REVEALED God to us as FATHER- therefore, the matter has been settled.
MOTHER GOD?? May God have mercy on those who dare even think this, much less profess it.
I AM SO DEEPLY AFFECTED BY THE THINGS I AM READING IN YOUR BOOK. I THINK HAVING A PRIEST TO CONFESS TO WOULD FREE ME UP INSIDE FROM A LOT OF THE BURDEN OF YEARS OF MIS-INFORMATION THAT I HAVE BEEN ABIDING BY. I SEE IT AS A CLEANSING STEP. BUT, TO REJECT THE MASS ALTOGETHER KNOWING THAT I AM DISABLED AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TRAVEL TO A CHURCH TOO FAR AWAY I AM WORRIED. WHAT WOULD I DO WITHOUT MASS?...
PLEASE REPLY AND THANK YOU..........THERESA
MHFM: We’re glad to hear about your interest, but you must realize that the New Mass is not a Mass.Why is this so hard for some people to understand or accept?It’s not valid.You’re not going to a Mass if you go there.God doesn’t want you to go there.It’s nothing more than a Protestant service: The Invalid New Mass.
False Traditionalist Cowards
MHFM: A false traditionalist named Michael Hamilton wrote to us criticizing our views on sedevacantism.We asked him if he would be willing to have a recorded conversation, in which we could respond directly to his points and ask him our own.He has refused.This is not a surprise.All of these heretics are the same.They like to hide behind their computers and send out their arrogant and false arguments.But they refuse to get into a conversation where their points could be directly addressed and refuted, where they can’t run and hide from the facts.They are pathetic, and they are not of the truth.
Did you read in the subscriber comments for the article Orthodox bishop shares Communion with Catholics posted in "News and Commentary:"
My Greek Orthodox friend, who accepts the authority of the pope but not the filioque, will soon be formally welcomed into the Catholic Church -by the nuncio, no less- WITHOUT CEASING TO BE ORTHODOX!! This is a VERY new thing! It shows just how little separates Catholics from Orthodox and how the Catholic Church is willing to accomodate. My friend's been receiving communion in the Catholic Church -with permission- for years.
MHFM: That certainly shows how people are imbibing the heresies of the new religion and losing their souls as a result.
To The Brothers Dimond:
While I wholeheartedly agree with 99.9 % of what's on your website, I must disagree with your views on cheating as a mortal sin for the following reasons:
First: As you are well aware, mortal sin must have three SIMULTANEOUS properties: grave matter, sufficient reflection and complete consent. I hardly think that
one who cheats at a game of monopoly can justifiably before God be damned for all eternity. To me, that's plain meaness and if one is sorry for such an act, it's NOT going to affect someone's salvation. While the act of cheating is indeed wrong, it cannot be compared to one who plagarizes a dissertation or paper as part of a graduation requirement and then ends up with a degree with work that was not his own, because all three elements of mortal sin were concurrent when theact occurred.
Secondly: If the game of monopoly was a game in which money was being exchanged, that is gambling and this can quickly become a mortal sin if one
were to squander his wages on such a game when the revenue is needed to support himself and/or family.
Lastly, I don't think that any traditional Catholic would condone cheating, and as you cite, "if we were only honest in our daily lives." Yet, if we really examine our consciences, are any of us really that honest- be it with God, our neighbor or ourselves? I certainly cannot say that by any means, because in the course of a day, there are times that I stumble and fall. If we were, there would be no need for confession, correct?
MHFM: In response to your points: First, cheating at a serious game does constitute grave matter, as we’ve explained.To respond by saying that it would seem “mean” for God to damn someone over that, well, then you need to read some of the Old Testament.You need to see how God looks at disobedience to Him and a failure to live up to His truth.
Second, the question of whether money was exchanged is irrelevant to the point.We were talking about a normal game of monopoly.
Third, people who would cheat at a serious game of monopoly have some significant spiritual problems.They choose the fleeting pleasure of victory in the game over honesty; they choose to deceive their fellow men and operate dishonestly to win a game.It’s very bad.You seem to be justifying such mortally sinful cheating by saying “everybody stumbles and falls.”No, people shouldn’t cheat; people shouldn’t commit mortal sin.That’s not to say, of course, that if a person does commit a mortal sin that he cannot be forgiven.But cheating, dishonesty and mortal sin are not things to be swept away as: “everybody stumbles and falls.”
The Only Heresy I see is you and your website
MHFM: That means that you don’t think that this is heresy:
Benedict XVI, Zenit News story, Sept. 5, 2000: “[W]e are in agreement that a Jew, and this is true for believers of other religions, does not need to know or acknowledge Christ as the Son of God in order to be saved…”
So that shows us what kind of person you are; you totally reject the truth of God.So when a person like you says that the only heresy he sees is us and our website, well that speaks in our favor.
A lady at my work had her van repossessed and was given 2 weeks to get the money or lose the van. She was talking about how she was going to be $200 short, so I loaned her the money so she will have her own ride to work. This is her family's only vehicle so I felt like it was good idea to loan her the money. Since this was a loan, would this count for supporting heretics. Technically I'm still a N.O., so I suppose it doesn't matter as much. Sedevacantism sounds convincing, but I am still on the fence about it.
MHFM: No, we don’t think so.It’s possible that such an act of generosity might make her more receptive to the information you would give her about the traditional Catholic faith.But if she shows herself to not be receptive – or to be friendly, but not intent on doing anything about the information – then you shouldn’t help her at all in the future.We think you should recommend the website to her or give her a DVD.
Also, you need to become convinced of the sedevacantist position.Heretics cannot be Catholics, and the Vatican II antipopes are heretics.
I listened to your e-exchange debates this morning as well as the latest section of the Papacy program. Of course, I will need to listen to the papacy segment again to really take it all in. It's fascinating to me. The debates, on the other hand…that first guy: the 'apologist.'… I must say I agree with one of your readers that said only an evil spirit could argue in such a twisted way. And he wouldn't even properly let you speak. His 'arguments' were sheer lunacy. The second guy, the baptism,heresy,schism guy. . . I just don't know what to say. One minute he seemed to genuinely want to learn from you, then the next minute he's saying you haven't proven the point because he himself disagrees with certain teachings of the Church which you quoted for him. A bit of bad will there, me thinks. Either way, I always learn alot by listening to you instruct and refute. I love learning the history of the Church and the truths of our Faith.
Reader on Cheating
This is dedicated to the person on the e-exchange's who claimed that cheating at a serious game of Monopoly (or any other competition for that matter?) does not constitute a grave matter.
I am now going to quote something I read recently from the the book, The Secret of Confession by Fr. Paul O'Sullivan (Tan Pub., 1992 edition; orig. published in 1936; pages 65-66) I think you will find it relevant:
"Yet, dear Madam, the sin of the Angels was a thought of revolt, and as a result a third part of those glorious spirits lost their thrones in Heaven. It was the eating of a little fruit by our First Mother , Eve, that proved the undoing of the human race. Was it not an act of disobedience that deprived Saul of his throne, and was it not a sinful glance that led holy David to the commision of a heinous crime? An act of vanity too, lost him 70,000 of his subjects. Did not the venerable Eleazar sacrifice his life rather than eat swine's flesh? And what about the death of Oza and Ahio for daring to touch the Ark?
"Dear Madam, you fail to see that it is not the trifling act which is wrong, but the principle involved: the malice of the offense against an infinite God, to whom we owe our love, our gratitude and our allegiance. Surely, if God died on account of sin, sin must be dreadful. If sin is punished by Hell-fire, sin must be enourmous. When you make light of sin, you judge not Catholics, but God Himself." (emphasis my own)
I was, since yesterday, reading and listening to some of the information i came across the internet particularly in your website, mostholyfamilymonastery.com, regarding this issues about Vactican II.the truth is i am overwhelmed about the information i have been reading and listening to that, until now, i never thought that our Catholic Church is greatly divided between bishops/priests that supported the Vatican II teachings and to those who did not. for a while now, this created a sad note in my heart for i did believe we are one united church under the Catholic Church, the one true Apostolic Church founded by our savior, Jesus Christ. i never had any idea that their is a wide schism going on underneath the Catholic Church and i believe many catholics in my parish doesn't even know about the existence of this division" (my lack of better word to describe it).
i am troubled about these things which i've read and listened to...i will pray for enlightenment and please pray for me that i will be enlightened about the real issues and to the Truththank you and peace be to all of you!
MHFM: Well, there isn’t a schism going on in the Catholic Church.It’s that the Vatican II “Church” is not the Catholic Church, and that those who incorporate themselves into this new, false, phony, counterfeit “Church” by embracing its heresies have left the Catholic Church.You must recognize that the New Mass is invalid (The Invalid New Mass), and that you must therefore get out of your parish.
Dear Brothers, I have recently come across your web site and am trying to take it all in. I have felt like a lot of the holiness has been removed from the mass ever since vatican II. When I took classes to have my children baptised 20 some years ago I was told then that it was not really necessary, that God would take care of them. I have many questions for you but right now if you could answer one for me. What about the good people that died before the coming of Jesus who were not baptized. Where are they? I think of what Jesus told the man being crucified beside him, who asked Jesus to remember him when he entered his kindom and Jesus said this day you will be with me in my kindom. Thank you
MHFM: We get this question a lot.It’s addressed in our book.The law of baptism became obligatory on all after the Resurrection.The requirements to be saved under the Old Law, or to get to the Limbo of the Fathers, were not the same as the requirements to be saved under the New Law.The Good Thief was saved, or made it to the Limbo of the Fathers, under the Old Law.
Catechism of the Council of Trent, Baptism made obligatory after Christ’s Resurrection, p. 171: “Holy writers are unanimous in saying that after the Resurrection of our Lord, when He gave His Apostles the command to go and teach all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, the law of Baptism became obligatory on all who were to be saved.”
I keep reading interesting things from your website. I didn't see anything on Medjugorje so I would be interested in knowing what you think of it. Maybe you can do an article telling people your thought on Medjugorje. I'm Croatian but I don't know much about Medjugorje…
MHFM: Medjugorje is proven to be false because it has blatant heresies in its messages.Here are some quick facts: The False Apparitions at Medjugorje [PDF].
A Novus Ordo friend is now perplexed about its recent demolition of the existence of Limbo, and has asked me, a Traditional Roman Catholic,"How can they keep changing so much of what we formerly believed?" I want to answer correctly since her doubt must be a gift from God, but can only find original references to the existence of Purgatory. Can you help me in directing her to a specific encyclical or biblical reference? It could be crucial in getting her to understand the deform of the Reformation revisited by imposters within the Church!
Wishing you God's continual blessings,
MHFM: Yes, all the references are found in sections 10 and 11 of our book: ►Outside the Catholic Church There is Absolutely No Salvation[pdf file].There one will find numerous dogmatic statements which teach that all infants who die without Baptism are not saved.One will find the infallible statements which declare that all who die in original sin only (i.e. unbaptized infants) or in mortal sin go to Hell, and that infants who die without Baptism go to a part of Hell where there is no fire.This place is known as “the Limbo of the Children.”
I really enjoy your website and I think it should be ranked number ONE in the whole world. Truly God is watching you guys on this great mission to save souls especially in the darkess times in Church History. God bless you and I will keep you in my prayers. Good day.
I just listened to your recent telephone debate with the Vatican II apologist. What I found interesting, and perhaps revealing, was his repeated use of the phrase "that would be between him and the deity." He used this response at least twice, I think actually three times, when you asked him if a particular hypothetical person (a non-baptized infant, a Rabbi, etc) could be saved. That choice of a word to describe God (as opposed to say "Jesus" who is our judge) struck me as more appropriate for a Mason, or a Unitarian, than for a Christian. Of course if you really dissect the Vatican II belief system there really isn't much difference.
William T. Mulligan, Jr.
I'm live in France and more and more people begins to awake now.It would be nice to have your videos translated in french and also in spanish, italian and german.
I think many poeple in Europe wants to know the truth now, but they need news and documents like those...
Yann de Grendel
Brother Michael and Brother Peter,
Thank you for all the info on the website. It has been a great resource for me over the years. I want to ask you a question.......
With the incredible number of corporations that either directly or indirectly support causes which are anathema to our Catholic faith, is it necessary, or better yet even possible, for me to insulate myself against companies that support homosexual causes, abortion, perversion, sinful behavior etc. etc?......
It seems the list continues to grow every year, and I would be changing companies constantly. Also, I really don't believe that the companies that claim not to support these causes don't support them. I think they just insulate themselves by funneling money through different channels, all the while getting money to these causes........
I'm just a little man out here in this cesspool of a society trying to practice my traditional Catholic faith, stay in a state of grace and save my soul. I try to lead an extremely simple Catholic life ........Am I in a state of sin because the cereal I ate for breakfast was manufactured by a company who makes donations to homosexual causes, or the insurance I have on my 17 year old car is from a company who donated to planned parenthood?...............Why do I have the feeling, the next choices I would make would also support something just as reprehensible to me..........
God Bless you both and the zeal you have to help people come to the Catholic faith and save their souls...........
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